"In America, Naturalized Citizens No Longer Have an Assumption of Permanence"

[minoanmiss]

Today's horrifying political news...

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/in-america-naturalized-citizens-no-longer-have-an-assumption-of-permanence

New Yorker article by Masha Gessen, published June 18. I need to find some more information about this, preferably not beholden to a for-pay magazine (which has every right to get paid, mind you, but we need to get this information out as well).

an example in action:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10105535811576405&set=a.10100109869333155.2444350.38412361&type=3&theater

I'm so mad I didn't know about this before -- I definitely Would Have Written A Letter About It -- but I also know how this administration does things is very different from how the last did, even if they are the same sort of things. Every time I've heard people inveigh against "illegals" I wondered when they would come for legal immigrants. I always knew it was a 'when'.

After they undo my parents' citizenship (my parents are naturalized citizens), how long will it take them to undo mine (I was born here)?

Comments

[bikergeek]

After they undo my parents' citizenship (my parents are naturalized citizens), how long will it take them to undo mine (I was born here)?

Yup. It's why, despite being an Old Fat White Guy, I always point out that my parents came off a boat. Because I'm an OFWG, they might heave me back into the ocean later than they would do it to you, but it's just a scheduling question.

[julian]

Given the railing against "anchor babies" (what an awful term), probably sooner rather than later.

[bikergeek]

Undoing jus soli citizenship has been a goal of the Republican Party for a while now. It would take an amendment to the Constitution to do it, but who knows.

[cmcmck]

This is precisely what Hitler pulled with German Jews!

Terrifying!

[claudia603]

Shit.

[gingicat]

And what would they do to me, where one side of the family came in with Oglethorpe and the other is Lithuanian Jews?

[cmcmck]

Same problem. I'm not USian- just as well perhaps, but here in the 'old country' I'm Latvian Jewish, Breton, Italian and Romani apart from the more 'acceptable' English, Welsh and Scottish (although that last one may be up for hate in the near future and I'm also married to a Scot).

And that's before they take my trans-ness on board!

[corylea]

So "citizen" doesn't actually mean anything anymore? Geeze, what assholes the Republicans be.

Well ...

[ysabetwordsmith]

They are also agitating for denial of citizenship to Americans born here whose parents are not both natal citizens. They just don't like people of color. I'm waiting for them to revive the old Back to Africa movement. 0_o Which makes Native Americans suggest that all the white people should go the hell back to Europe while they're at it.

Re: Well ...

[cellio]

WTF? The constitution has things to say about that; I know they don't care and -- scarily -- they're about to be able to stack the supreme court -- but they're still going to need the court to validate that deviation.

Re: Well ...

[gingicat]

I totally get the Native perspective.

Re: Well ...

[ysabetwordsmith]

Yeah, whenever I see things like this, it makes me wish I knew how to say, "If you want to speak English, go back to England" in Cherokee.

[amaebi]

Yep.

It's a long time till November.

And we need to get out the vote.

[sabotabby]

*endless screaming*

Currently at a bar with friends composing All the Letters.

[vettecat]

This is terrifying. Does this mean my elderly father, who became a citizen many years after marrying my mother, is at risk of deportation? I feel like I need to start carrying my passport now.

[minoanmiss]

That's exactly what I'm worried about, people in his situation and my parents' situation.

And yeah, I got a passport card for my wallet a little while ago, and now I'm glad I did.

These are trying times. hugs you

[johnpalmer]

What I find even more frustrating is, I think we aren't anywhere near where we need to be to see this whole house of rotten cards to collapse... I kind of hope for worse outcomes, bad enough to show people "yes, this really was rotten from the head and through and through".

As soon as people started using hate as a tool - not even as a weapon, because that's *honest*, but as a *tool* - and it started to become acceptable it started us down a really bad path. I'm starting to feel as if were stuck on the bad path, because we (as a whole people) have never outright rejected it.

Like - I hope this isn't a tender topic! - the lynching museum, I heard some people talking about it riling people up, and opening old wounds. All I could think was "this is a person who hasn't *rejected* it. They've accepted the judgment of history that it was wrong, but they haven't rejected it, accepted that lynching was not an isolate set of mistakes but outright, deliberate, terrorism."

Germany seems (in general) to have come to appropriate grips with WWII (from what I can see a continent away!); the US hasn't come to grips with its past.