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minoanmiss(From Supergee) The NYT is doing the 1619 project, in honor of the first arrival of enslaved Africans to what wuld become the US, about how slavery has affected and continues to affect so many areas of American life. Conservatives are of course furious about this and say it should not be done. Most of the quoted conservatives cited "history" as a reason to keep up all those odious statues honoring Confederates, but when presented with actual history they want it buried. Of course.
(From Supergee, Purlewe, WGC, and Amaebi) I had been wondering why I hadn't seen complaints about the Archive Of Our Own's Hugo win, as many old-school SF fans and writers hugely disdain fanworks. That seems to be because Jeannette Ng, winner of the Campbell Award, called Campbell a fascist and pointed out how his influence shaped SF to be so unfriendly for so long to people who aren't straight, male, and White, in her acceptance speech. Thanks for drawing aggro, Ms. Ng, and I can't wait to look up your writing!
(From Supergee, Purlewe, WGC, and Amaebi) I had been wondering why I hadn't seen complaints about the Archive Of Our Own's Hugo win, as many old-school SF fans and writers hugely disdain fanworks. That seems to be because Jeannette Ng, winner of the Campbell Award, called Campbell a fascist and pointed out how his influence shaped SF to be so unfriendly for so long to people who aren't straight, male, and White, in her acceptance speech. Thanks for drawing aggro, Ms. Ng, and I can't wait to look up your writing!
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Date: 2019-08-21 04:43 pm (UTC)I did learn something, why Asimov never had alien characters. I'm hoping that we can all learn from the bad example such as his posterior pinching seminar.
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Date: 2019-08-21 05:37 pm (UTC)(I remember being horrified by reading in an sf author's biography -- might have been one of Philip K. Dick -- that Campbell was SUPER into Dianetics when it first got going. After knowing that, revelations of racism/fascism are very unsurprising.)
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Date: 2019-08-21 06:11 pm (UTC)Racism, specifically American-style racism was a great inspiration to Hilter. And I have to say, the current speaking points on mental illness as opposed to white supremacy/domestic terrorism, is reminding me entirely too much about medicalization and eugenics. The Nazis took lead from the United States on eugenics, too.
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Date: 2019-08-21 06:19 pm (UTC)If Worldcon really wants an "editor who welcomed new talent into sff" award why not one named after Judith Merrill? Or Cele Goldsmith? I'm pretty sure they weren't ACTUAL FASCISTS.
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Date: 2019-08-21 05:53 pm (UTC)There were lots of good comments at Scalzi's, too, although I liked Doctorow's essay better.
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Date: 2019-08-21 05:36 pm (UTC)Also, I did see some complaints about AO3's win, but it seemed to be a mix of people not liking fanfic, and thinking that this is stretching "related work" further than had been intended. On the other hand, I am careful enough about what links I'll follow these days that I'm more likely to see or hear that than to hear the "fanfic is full of girl cooties" crap.
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Date: 2019-08-21 06:44 pm (UTC)Oh intersting. Because fanfic is so often a commentary on the canon in one way or another, I did think it fit into "related work".
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Date: 2019-08-21 07:18 pm (UTC)and the category itself is
Awarded to a work related to the field of science fiction, fantasy, or fandom, appearing for the first time during the previous calendar year or which has been substantially modified during the previous calendar year. The type of works eligible include, but are not limited to, collections of art, works of literary criticism, books about the making of a film or TV series, biographies and so on, provided that they do not qualify for another category. Specifically, the Constitution says that any work in this category must be “either non-fiction or, if fictional, is noteworthy primarily for aspects other than the fictional text, and which is not eligible in any other category.” Nonfiction collections are eligible here, but fiction anthologies generally are not because all of the individual works within the anthology are eligible in one of the “story” categories.
Polygon quoted Nicholas Whyte as saying AO3 as a project was on the final ballot. And I love AO3, and think it's important, but I personally just don't think it fits into that particular category; it was completely unlike anything else on the list. (How would someone include it in the voting packet?) I think some kind of special achievement award, like the lifetime achievement awards at the Oscars and other awards shows, would have been much more fitting, if they wanted to give an award to AO3 as a constantly evolving project. Or if the Hugos had a Multimedia awards category -- which they sadly need, given that now there are blog fanzines, YouTube videos, and hard-to-categorize things like the certainly award-worthy "Dirty Computer" album video by Janelle Monae -- it obviously would have fit right in there. And I don't think it's a TERRIBLE INJUSTICE AO3 won a Hugo award or anything. The way it was done just grates on me. But I support AO3 with donations and I have for a while.
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Date: 2019-08-21 08:55 pm (UTC)I'm glad I asked! I have learned something from your reply!
And I didn't take you as hostile to AO3. The angry children who say it's "full of child porn" make very very different comments than you did here. :D
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Date: 2019-08-21 09:08 pm (UTC)OH GOD WTF IS EVEN GOING ON THERE. I absolutely do not understand neo-Puritanism in a Liberated hat or whatever the phrase is. Especially not on Tumblr. I mean I know what happens in the name of "censorship for good reasons." I was there during the early anti-porn crusades, I remember, I know other people remember too. (And what about all the history of work by queer people, women, AoCs, being immediately suppressed when the rules kick in....) But apparently for these Young PeopleTM this time it's okay?? Because they know what's best?
(did I take my meds, no, I did not take my meds, better do that and have some eggs)
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Date: 2019-08-21 09:24 pm (UTC)Take your meds and have some eggs and we can commiserate about Conservatism in a Gay Hat later on. :)
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Date: 2019-08-21 09:28 pm (UTC)....poached eggs on garlic bread toast. If only I had an avocado I could be destroying something.
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Date: 2019-08-22 03:02 am (UTC)I don't think they know how to do statistics. I'm pretty sure they don't get how mentioning child abuse as something that occurred, in fiction, can stop it in the real world by alerting people to the signs of grooming.
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Date: 2019-08-22 03:04 am (UTC)You are absolutely right (and furthermore, many/most of them define any story about someone under 21 in a sexual relationship and/or any significant age gap between partners as "pedophilia/child porn". I've seen people say a 40 year old dating a 50 year old is an example of pedophilia and should not be written about. sigh)
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Date: 2019-08-22 03:28 am (UTC)There are a few states that had majority at 21 with marriage by parental consent at 16. There's also been judge approved marriages that these days...
New York considers 17 year olds as consenting as long as the other party isn't in a position of authority.
Clearly they aren't having conversations about WHY and that doesn't speak well for good decisions.
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Date: 2019-08-22 04:29 pm (UTC)Both my relationships are! According to these ridiculous children.
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Date: 2019-08-22 03:05 am (UTC)Not to mention the policing of women's queer sexual fantasies, which is also shitty. FANTASIES ARE NOT DEEDS. THOUGHTS ARE NOT REALITY. It doesn't even make a dent.
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Date: 2019-08-22 03:41 am (UTC)We use other methods, such as additional speech, to critique what is objectionable while supporting their right to say it in the first place.
I fear they haven't learned about the surveillance Ford practiced on his employees off the clock.
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Date: 2019-08-21 08:53 pm (UTC)you're allowed to have opinions, especially since yours in particular tend to be well thought out and factually supported. hugs you reasssuringly
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Date: 2019-08-21 06:57 pm (UTC)ties self down to restrain self from going looking
I sometimes wonder if those who dislike fanfic don't understand why people write it. For one person a story takes over one's imagination, and one thinks "what did X minor character think about this? What did the Man in the Street think about the superheroes? How Y character have acted if she hadn't been written by the kind of male author who describes characters' breasts instead of ttheir personalities? What if X and Y kissed?" and writes a story within the first story about one or more of these ideas. Another person takes those same thoughts, "files off the serial numbers," and includes them when writing a different story, or they only explore those thoughts when writing about Public Domain stuff (so, a story about What Persephone Thought Of Being Abducted counts as original but a story about What Eowyn Thought Of Her Uncle's Illness is fanfic).
Sometimes I wonder why I am so full of irrelevant thoughtiness. laughs at myself
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Date: 2019-08-21 06:58 pm (UTC)http://nkjemisin.com/2013/09/how-long-til-black-future-month/
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Date: 2019-08-22 04:29 pm (UTC)I'm glad Kayre helped you with it. My help would have been much angrier and less emollient. :D
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Date: 2019-08-22 05:26 pm (UTC)Like, I recommend it? Sort of? But I would not be surprised to learn it is Not For Everyone.